(June 11th, 2014, 05:07)novice Wrote: By the way, I forgot to mention that according to pitboss portal, AT captured or razed one of Molach's cities last turn.
Turn 71:
(June 15th, 2014, 09:53)novice Wrote: Mardoc (the man of the many hut techs) just captured a size 2 city from Azza.
Turn 72:
(June 16th, 2014, 00:31)novice Wrote: Cheater Hater or Pindicator razed a size 3 city belonging to Barry Lyndon.
Turn 76:
(June 20th, 2014, 04:20)novice Wrote: Pindicator captured a size 3 city from Barry Lyndon.
Turn 79/80:
(June 23rd, 2014, 01:18)novice Wrote: Molach is fighting back against AT - It seems he captured a size 2 city from him last turn.
Turn 80/81:
(June 24th, 2014, 12:16)novice Wrote: While Pindicator was logged in, Barry Lyndon lost 14 score points and Pindicator gained one.
Turn 83:
(June 26th, 2014, 14:40)novice Wrote: Demos also show that someone has been reduced to a single size 1 city, btw.
Turn 87:
(July 2nd, 2014, 00:44)novice Wrote: Looks like wetbandit lost two cities to Qgqqqqq.
Turn 88:
(July 2nd, 2014, 14:49)Krill Wrote: Whosit declared on and took a CH city. [CH lost 7 score points.]
(July 3rd, 2014, 01:31)novice Wrote: Dhal lost a size 1 city turn 88, while BGN, Ruff, and TBS were logged in.
Turn 88/89:
(July 3rd, 2014, 16:26)novice Wrote: And cheater hater lost another 8 score points. Looks like Whosit is razing the cities?
Turn 96:
(July 10th, 2014, 10:06)Krill Wrote: T96: Start of Ruff war
(July 11th, 2014, 03:02)novice Wrote: There are wars all over the place in this game. On T96, in addition to us killing Ruff's settler, furungy lost two score points to Dazedroyalty, and TBS razed 11 score points from Xenu, our latest contact.
(July 11th, 2014, 14:36)novice Wrote: Azza lost three score points to Mardoc.
Turn 97:
(July 13th, 2014, 13:20)Krill Wrote: Whosit is healing his scout, I don't want to annoy him as he just made peace with CH
Turn 98:
(July 14th, 2014, 10:57)Krill Wrote: Ruff offered peace. I rejected and will reoffer so he can accept it next turn, which gives us 1 turn longer before war could be redeclared. [Ruff logged in again and accepted peace t98]
Turn 99:
(July 15th, 2014, 16:21)novice Wrote: Looks like wetbandit settled a city this turn and BGN promptly razed it.
Tech thread info, T100:
Mardoc appears to still be in a turn split (with Azza?), and Jowy is in a turn split with HitAnyKey.
Turn 103:
(July 20th, 2014, 08:16)novice Wrote: Xenu is still at war with TBS and also got DOW'ed by Oxy at some point. Dtay is at war with Barry but at peace with pindicator. F4 also confirms that Whosit has razed two CH cities (-2 diplo modifier).
Turn 104: Azza reduced Mardoc's score by 1.
Turn 105: Caledorn lost a size 3 and a size 10 city to BGN. BGN appears to have razed the cities. Also, Oxyphenbutazone is at war with HitAnyKey according to F4.
Even if we got Mongolia in a reroll, I can't really see a single leader I'd want less that is currently available; that's probably because I dislike playing PHI though.
Financial: +1 commerce on all non-river tiles that have 2+ commerce. +100% production of Bank.
Expansive: +2 health per city. +35% production of Worker, Work Boat. +100% production of Market, Aqueduct, Grocer, Harbor.
Creative: +2 culture per city. +100% production of Theatre, Colloseum, Observatory.
Charismatic: +2 happiness. +1 happiness from Broadcast Tower. -25% XP needed for promotions.
Protective: Free CG1 promo for archery and gunpowder units. +100 production of Granary, Walls.
Imperialistic: +100% Great General emergence. +60% production of Settler. +100% production of Custom House
Aggressive: Free C1 promo for melee and gunpowder units. -25% city maintenance [Not shown in trait description. Bonus not shown in interface. Bonus is multiplicative with other maintenance modifiers. Final displayed city maintenance value is correct and includes this bonus.] +100% production of Barracks, Stable, Drydock.
Philosophical: +150% Great Person production, +100% production of University
Organized, Industrious, Spiritual: No change from BtS
Civs:
America: UU is now Minuteman a Rifleman replacement with free Guerilla 1 and Woodsman 1. Mall is now a Grocer replacement that gives +1 happy from Deer, Sugar, Hit Musicals, Hit Movies, Hit Singles.
Arabia: Starts with Mysticism/Agriculture, instead of Mysticism/The Wheel. Madrassa cost decreased to 70 hammers from 90.
Byzantium: Starts with Mysticism/Fishing, instead of Mysticism/The Wheel. Cataphracts are 11 strength instead of 12, and are first strike immune (like normal knights).
Carthage: Cothon cost decreased to 80 hammers from 100 (now costs same as Harbor). Numidian Cavalry changed to a HA replacement with free C1.
Celts: Dun now gives G2, not G1. Dun civilopedia updated to list unit classes that recieve G2 promotion.
France: Salon +1 free specialist, -1 free artist.
Germany: UU is now the Kanone, a Cannon that costs 80 hammers instead of 100. Assembly Plant now available at Steam Power.
Inca: Terraces now give +1 culture instead of +2. Quechua loses combat 1.
India: Starts with Mysticism/Wheel instead of Mysticism/Mining. The Fast Worker now has Mobility (-1 Terrain Movement Costs), but does not get an extra movement point compared to normal workers.
Japan: UB is now Pagoda, an Observatory replacement with +10% hammers.
Korea: Starts with Agriculture/Minging, instead of Mysticism/Mining.
Portugal: Feitoria now costs 120h, from 180h.
Rome: Praetorian changed to a Swordsman replacement with +1 strength. Forum increased to +35% GPP generation from +25%.
Russia: UB is now Research Institute, a university replacement with +1 scientist specialist.
Vikings: Trading Post gives naval units Flanking 1
Leaders:
Kublai Khan: Leader traits are now Charismatic, Creative, changed from Aggressive, Creative.
Civics:
Police State: Now Medium upkeep.
Vassalage: Now provides free support for military units as well (meaning Pacifism is cheaper), and is Medium Upkeep.
Slavery: 30h for the 1st pop, 20h for the 2nd pop and subsequent pops. So, 30/50/70/90. On Quick speed, that's 20/33/46/60.
Serfdom: +75% Worker Speed, +1h for Watermills and Windmills.
Free Market: No longer provides -25% Corporate Costs. Now provides +25% Trade Route Yield.
Environmentalism: No longer provides +25% Corporate Costs, or +2 commerce to windmills. Provides +1 gold per specialist, +1c to farms and pastures, +2c to forest preserves, and Low upkeep. Swapped with Free Speech. Now available at Liberalism.
Free Speech: Now Low upkeep, swapped with Environmentalism. Now available at Scientific Method.
State property: Now Medium upkeep
Wonders, Projects:
Wonder Resource Doublers: All wonders that had +100% production with a specific resource now only have +50% production with that resource.
Rushmore: Now -50% WW, (from -25%).
Red Cross: 200h.
West Point: 550h, +5XP. Now requires a lvl 5 unit (17XP/13XP for Charismatic).
Great Lighthouse: Now +1 trade route instead of +2 trade routes, enabled at Masonry, but needs lighthouse and Sailing (no functional change in the tech requirements but makes F6 look less cluttered).
SoZ: no WW effect. Now +3XP, 200 hammers, no building prerequisites. No longer gets +100% production from Ivory.
The Internet: Now a wonder. 2k cost, +15% beakers in every city, +2 scientist gpp, double production speed with copper. No longer a project.
Cristo Redentur: +100% SPI production, -50% Anarchy instead of -100%.
SDI: Removed from the game
Base unit changes:
Scouts: Require no tech. Every player starts with a scout instead of a warrior.
Swordsman (and all replacements): +50% city attack
Archer (and all replacements): +30% defence against Swordsmen.
War Elephants: Now 7 str, +50% vs. Mounted units.
Trebuchet: Now requires Machinery, instead of Engineering.
SAM Infantr
y: 75% interception chance (up form 40%)
Destroyer: Now enabled at Artillery (not Combustion) (requires Oil OR Uranium)
Transport: Now enabled at Artillery (not Combustion) (requires Oil OR Uranium)
Mobile Artillery: Can now load guided Missiles and Tac Nukes (as Submarines and Missile Cruisers do). No longer require oil.
Gunships decreased to 3 moves.
ICBM: No longer unlimited range, but long enough so that they will out distance your army and navy easily, and they can be rebased. Loses the nuke tag. Does not need Manhattern project to be built.
iCost: 450h
iAirCombatLimit: 75
iAirCombat: 160
iCollateralDamageLimit: 75%
iCollateralDamageMaxUnits: 12
iAirRange: 36
Tactical Nukes: Now S80 1shot units that can bombard units, cause collateral damage to 5 units, cannot be intercepted. Loses the nuke tag. Does not need Manhattern project to be built. Full list of changes:
iCost: 200h
iAirCombatLimit: 75
iAirCombat: 80
iCollateralDamageLimit: 75%
iCollateralDamageMaxUnits: 5
iAirRange: 4
Guided Missiles: Can bombard units, tiles and cultural defence, cause collateral damage to 2 units, cannot be intercepted. Full list of changes (underline means original stat, for comparison):
iCost: 60h
iBombRate: 16
iAirCombatLimit: 75
iAirCombat: 40
iCollateralDamage: 100
iCollateralDamageLimit: 50%
iCollateralDamageMaxUnits: 1
iAirRange: 4
Flanking: Flanking strength (used to calculate damage from flanking strikes) or all units reduced by 50%.
Buildings:
Barracks: increased cost to 60 hammers, +1 culture.
Jails: now -50% War Weariness.
Castles (and replacement UB): no longer decrease bombardment rate of catapults or trebuchets.
Technology:
Known Tech Bonus changed to per player bonus.The known civ bonus is multiplied so that it is based on the era that the most advanced player is in with following equation:
Ancient: No bonus
Classical: +2% per met player with tech, max +50% (no further bonus after 25 players)
Medieval: +4% per met player with tech, max +50% (no further bonus after 13 players, 13th is only +2%)
Rennaissance: +6% per met player with tech, max +50% (no further bonus after 9 players, 9th is only +2%)
Industrial: +8% per met player with tech, max +75% (no further bonus after 10 players, 10th is only +3%)
Modern: +8% per met player with tech, max +75% (no further bonus after 10 players, 10th is only +3%)
Future: +8% per met player with tech, max +75% (no further bonus after 10 players, 10th is only +3%)
Hunting: Enables pastures, cost increased by 50% from 40 to 60. No longer enables camps.
Animal Husbandry: Enables camps. No longer enables pastures.
Archery: Base tech cost decreased by two thirds, from 60 to 40.
Astronomy: Requires Code of Laws as mandatory prerequisite in addition to Calendar and Optics. No longer requires Paper.
Metal Casting: Cost reduced to 300.
Alphabet: No longer enables tech trading, allows Open Borders. Cost reduced to 250.
Writing: No longer enables OB.
Paper enables Tech Trading. Requires Metal Casting as mandatory prerequisite.
Renaissance era technology prices increased by a percentage of base BtS tech cost as follows:
Education: +25%
PP: +25%
Nationalism: +25%
Gunpowder: +25%
Astronomy: +25%
Economics: +50%
Liberalism: +50%
Replaceable Parts: +50%
Military Tradition: +50%
Constitution: +50%
Chemistry: +50%
Democracy: +75%
Rifling: +75%
Corporation: +75%
Military Science: +75%
Steel: +75%
Steam Power: +75%
Artillery: +100%
Assembly Line: +100%
Scientific Method: +100%
Railroad: +100%
Cost of all subsequent techs increased by 100%
All medieval and earlier techs are untradeable:
The untradeable techs are as follows: Fishing, The Wheel, Agriculture, Hunting, Mysticism, Mining, Sailing, Pottery, Animal Husbandry, Archery, Meditation, Polytheism, Masonry, Horseback Riding, Priesthood, Monotheism, Bronze Working, Writing, Metal Casting, Iron Working, Aesthetics, Mathematics, Alphabet, Monarchy, Compass, Literature, Calendar, Construction, Currency, Machinery, Drama, Engineering, Code of Laws, Feudalism, Optics, Music, Philosophy, Civil Service, Theology, Divine Right, Paper, Guilds, Banking
Espionage:
Switch Civic, Switch Religion, City Revolt,Counter Espionage, and Destroy Production spy missions removed.
Costs of all active spy missions doubled.
Discounts to spy missions due to religious effects removed (owning holy city, religion present in city).
Spies now spawn with "Secretive", and cannot see tiles except the one they're standing on.
The No Espionage game option now works properly:
GSpy points are converted into Great Merchant points.
Espionage no longer gets converted into culture.
Cultural expansion now happens at normal values.
Spies cannot be built.
Graphs are always visible on contact.
Tile Changes:
Watermills: +1 base hammers, no longer receives +1h at Rep Parts.
Workshops: +1 base hammers, no longer receives +1h at Chemistry.
Mines: +1h at Rep Parts.
Quarry: +1h at Rep Parts.
Whaling Boats: Enabled at Sailing, not Optics. Otherwise unchanged.
Game Mechanics:
The Draft: Rifles now cost 2 pop to draft. A city must now end a draft at size 6 instead of size 5 (So size 8 to draft a rifle, size 7 to draft a musket).
Corporations: Completely removed from the game.
Culture required to achieve legendary border pop on Quick Speed changed from 25000 to 33000
Events:
The following events have been removed from the game:
Negative Events:
1. Forest Fire
5. Washed out
10 Careless apprentice
11. Famine
12. Slave revolt
15. Farm Bandits
18. Fugitive
19. Pestilence
21. Faux Pas
22. Joyous Wedding
23. Wedding Feud
24. Left at the Altar
26. Tornado
29. Looters
30. Brothers in need
31. Hurricane
32. Cyclone
33. Tsunami
34. Monsoon
35. Blizzard
36. Volcano
37. Dust Bowl
42. Clunker Coal
43. Sour crude
50. Mining accident
52. SetbackS
54. Great depression
55. Bermuda triangle
70. Influenza
71. Solo Flight
77. Ancient olympics
78. Modern olympics
80. Earth day
92. Cigarette Smoker
93. Heroic Gesture
94. Great Mediator
99. The Huns
100. The Vandals
101. the Goths
102. The Philistines
103. The Vedic Aryans
104. Holy ritual
132. Spoiled grain
135. Industrial fire
155. Slave revolt warning
160. Defecting agent
161. Jail
162. Spy discovered
163. Nuclear protests
165. Broken Dam
169. Toxcatl
170. Dissident Priest
172. Rogue station
174. Impeachment
Remove (Too good):
9. Hymns and sculptures
20. Marathon
28. Bards tale
64. Federal reserve
139. Partisans
167. Golden Buddha
Coastal Blockade now has a range of 1 square around the blockader, instead of 3 squares.
Circumnavigation requires 55% of the world map be coast or ocean tiles.
AP Resolutions: Declare War (on a non-member), Force Peace (between two members), Religious victory, and Assign City are no longer eligible resolution actions.
Fail-gold: You never get fail-gold if you also completed the wonder somewhere else (so no National Wonder fail-gold, or doubling up on a wonder to guarantee yourself a paycheck. The game still informs you that you received "0 gold" from your hammers).
Hut techs: Can only gain techs from the first three rows of the tech screen:
Toroidal maps: Now return city maintenance as if the map were Cylindrical.
Maximum number of players is now 40, up from 18.[/spoiler[
Included additional bug fixes:
[spoiler]Trade route turn order bug.
Foreign trade route cities lost permanently when your city using those routes is destroyed (fix is taken from BTS unofficial patch).
Build culture double production.
Build wealth/research/culture + production automation double production.
Proposed trades including cities, where the cities no longer exist to be trades, are not cancelled (note: I consider this a bug because proposed trades are already cancelled if a player lacks the requisite e.g. resources/gold. could be considered not a bug).
Production decay counter on a type of build (e.g. axeman) is not reset after completing one if the next item in the queue is of the same type (fix is taken from BTS unofficial patch).
Feature growth/disappearance rates, and bonus discovery (mine pop) rates, do not scale with game speed.
(March 3rd, 2014, 15:09)Krill Wrote: Even if we got Mongolia in a reroll, I can't really see a single leader I'd want less that is currently available; that's probably because I dislike playing PHI though.
Love mongolia, but hate PHI. It is indeed a no-brainer.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
(March 3rd, 2014, 15:09)Krill Wrote: Even if we got Mongolia in a reroll, I can't really see a single leader I'd want less that is currently available; that's probably because I dislike playing PHI though.
Love mongolia, but hate PHI. It is indeed a no-brainer.
Not speaking for novice here, but I don't really care what civ I play that much (unless I have a specific combination in mid like definitely wanting to play AGG Zulu etc). Well, with one exception, I would prefer to not play India.
Leader though, I hate PHI. It's pretty much the trait I hate playing the most because I think it's boring. Only time I want to play it is Gandhi or PHI/Egypt. Arguably it has the same problem as ORG, in that it's not something you actively use that much (unlike SPI or AGG) but ORG allows you to expand that bit further which actively helps various strategies. PHI just sits there and refuses to do anything for ages unless you play one of like 3 specific strategies (rush CoL and use Caste, have a UB that gives specs or Academy plus early GA). It's the petulant child of the traits.
All that said, it's still useful if you do play the (admittedly somewhat boring) early Academy strategies, and here we would have the extra happiness to work a few specs in a second city.
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