[PB75 Mjmd] Call to Power

[Mjmd]

Ah, the secondary definition of   very interesting!

Build build build yep yep yep.

[Krill]

Do you care to say what the actual beaker cost is of Masonry?

[Mjmd]

Do you care to say what the actual beaker cost is of Masonry?

No, no I do not. I will tell you it was more expensive than pottery because it had less KTBs. IE it was the cost of the moon to me currently.

[Mjmd]

T75

PB66 land gold border city with both Mig and Gav. Gav for some odd reason thought I would just give it up and fight Plemo for the greater good... Had to give in peace treaty due to some mistakes. However in those 10 turns wealth built to rifles, was drafting muskets and kept drafting rifles. When it became clear I was in fact prepared to draft and send most of it against him (and mind I got to rifles WAY before him) he eventually backed off and gave the city back to me. Mind you this whole thing allowed Plemo to go invade Amica.



I messed up T74 (which I rushed through because it was during work). I realized a while back I should build a plains river mine at capital to speed mids up by a turn. But then last turn I moved worker to next chop target because???? without finishing the mine!!! And of course moved to a forested hill so lost the worker turn. Meaning I had to go back to finish mine, which at least I didn't pay a turn for. But it will put me a turn off chopping so now have to bring up southern worker for 1 turn of chopping, which was supposed to start cottaging PB70 and super inefficient worker movement besides. Best case might be for someone to finish mids this turn. I either want it or don't want to waste the time.

I'm JUST short of finishing pottery this turn. My best hope is Rickety finds me finally this turn and I get another KTB.

Or I could have not settled my 7th city, but got to hit my own targets for expansion. 7 cities by T75. Not sure that holds true on this map, but still. Settled he very slow starting crab city in the east, named PB51 due to slowness but optimism. Greenline hasn't settled anything on that coast so probably Moai. Most people are at 6 or 7. The only person lower is Gav at 4 (again unsure on Rickety). But mind you last time Gav had 4 cities on T75 he went on to conquer his neighbor so I do have some spears planned over there. Greenline has a ton of power, but if he ignores the two most important geographic features on the map that I've found, it is what it is. I do have a spear over there and an axe available to 2 pop whip just in case / in case I want overflow at some point.

I think I'm going for mono next. Should have by time of next prophet in 7 turns. I'm unsure if I'll be shrinning with next GP or settling in capital. Probably dependent if I land mids or not, but I do want a religion and I LOVE organized religion, which next GP will be for a golden age even if I haven't done a shrine. Then sailing and hope some people I have routes unfogged to finally get writing. 

Questions ect? I was going to do demos and graphs and stuff, but A) its late, B) they suck.

[Tarkeel]

Questions ect? I was going to do demos and graphs and stuff, but A) its late, B) they suck.

I'll do my usual one: Could you do a rundown of your cities and plans for them?

[Mjmd]

@Tarkeel - sure, might wait for a second on that request

Lets do PB60 review because there are some empire comparisons to this game.

First PB59 Moai city. I think the most water tiles I've ever had with 15. Built mostly using whip overflow. This city built a lot of ships and a descent number of tactical nukes as well. 



This is my one other game I played Industrious and India. I went with imp as other trait although that ended up being a mistake, but that was because map ended up extreme capital distance to each other (23 tiles? something like that to the NEAREST). 

This is a game with no official history, but here is the mostly spark notes from Charrius reports (speaking of which I need to do PB74..... How the heck did Charriu do the far more detailed ones. I meant to do a T125 in that game and then didn't and am already regretting. Anyways, I'll try to do some kind of narrative with it later, maybe with some Tarkeel thoughts to add to this?

Map was basically 3 loops in a chain strung connecting. 
Lazteuq managed to grab Stonehenge at T32
Mjmd's plans a foiled time and time again by the other players, but even though he managed to land Oracle, Colossus and ToA
Amicalola landed the Great Lighthouse in T72
Lazteuq landed pyramids shortly before the T100 mark
We saw GKC taking his last chance in attacking Jowy, who at the time had no real army
But Jowy returned the favor with the boosted Viking navy and some nice amphibious landings with berserkers
Lazteuq was at least able to take Apostolic Palace (126)
Amicalola took opportunity of Lazteuq putting hammers into monk economy to conquer Lazteuq
Lazteuq hoped to get some military aid from Superdeath, who did declare war, but ultimately decided on a different target.
That target being Mjmd, who previously had joined Jowy in his war effort against GKC.
Mjmd got more wonders: Hindu shrine (102), Hanging Gardens (106), Mausoleum (120), Great Wall (126), Great library (139), Parthenon (140)
Amicalola. Notre Dame (T171), Sankore (T177) and Spiral Minaret (T185)
After Mjmd finally kicked SD out of captured border city and got peace SD left injured stack in range of Amica who took full advantage.
Amica then launched an effective invasion of Jowy.

As for my game it was definitely a better game for industrious. There were only 6 players. HUGE. Instead of having to rush Oracle I got to actually wait for pottery and get Collosus which was a big wonder on the map although post game I did wonder if going for GLH would have been better as that wonder did propel Amica to eventually win. But at least I got early forges that game unlike this one. I was also fairly broke that game, but not as bad. I had a workable river, two close silvers, closer and more sea food / workable lake tiles. I failed multiple good odds GP spawn chances. This was the game that made me start distributing wonders vs just going for excellent national epic concentrated. Am I doing the concentrated national epic this game again, YEP. Is it a bad idea? Probably. To be fair I was running a MoM economy that game (IE my economy was only good in a GA and when I failed on getting right type bad things), but this game I think is going to be more bulb / monk wonder based / hopefully rep from mids / merc. Other than building wonders my game was defined by SD. Who of course lied about wanting to attack Amica before attacking me. Now mind you I was also going to attack Amica with him and in fact his invasion hit resistance due to the units I had in the area that were supposed to go against Amica   . Now sure I had burned a city earlier, but that was before geopolitics had developed. Mind you he had also take a 9% shot really early. Both the other loops ended up fighting so I assumed we would, but then things developed so it would have been smart that we didn't. IE I wanted to continue the 2v1 vs GKC and SD could have taken some land from Amica especially with my help.  But of course SD choose to attack me as he often does. He took a border city and we had what might be the largest caravel standoff / fighting in Realms history? He ended up doing a surprise landing with old war chariots to fork my capital and shrine city and sadly my luck was not good and he razed my capital. I did manage to kick him out of the border city he had taken. Partly thanks to building a lot of swords and waiting for culture to kick in. SD then got his remaining injured stack hit and I was forced to move my army into his territory to keep him from being eaten   . You know save the person you were JUST at war with. I did have plans to use SDs culture and Amica capturing / not razing and replacing SD cities to help strike back against Amica, but Amica's invasion of Jowy was just too decisive and I was too far behind (you know missing GP spawns and having to constantly whip vs SD period / my golden ages).

[Mjmd]

I do think its sailing next, but I realized something. I know 8/9 of the other players. Of those 5 have writing. Can you guess which 3 don't have writing?

If you guessed the 3 people I have trade routes defogged to you are correct!

Ginger keeps refusing to open borders. I don't even have coast defogged through Dreylin, I just want to go along his coast! Hmph.

I keep having to stop myself from doing a stupid invasion of that 1 Gav city. As long as he doesn't chop my forests all will be well. I'll just sit in my barren corner and see what building thingies I can do this game.

[Tarkeel]

The shape of PB60 is a recursively looping double helix, for efffectively three nested donuts where everybody neighbored everyone else albeit at long distance. Will see if I have some more thoughts later.

[Amicalola]

Map was basically 3 loops in a chain strung connecting. 
Lazteuq managed to grab Stonehenge at T32
Mjmd's plans a foiled time and time again by the other players, but even though he managed to land Oracle, Colossus and ToA
Amicalola landed the Great Lighthouse in T72
Lazteuq landed pyramids shortly before the T100 mark
We saw GKC taking his last chance in attacking Jowy, who at the time had no real army
But Jowy returned the favor with the boosted Viking navy and some nice amphibious landings with berserkers
Lazteuq was at least able to take Apostolic Palace (126)
Amicalola took opportunity of Lazteuq putting hammers into monk economy to conquer Lazteuq
Lazteuq hoped to get some military aid from Superdeath, who did declare war, but ultimately decided on a different target.
That target being Mjmd, who previously had joined Jowy in his war effort against GKC.
Mjmd got more wonders: Hindu shrine (102), Hanging Gardens (106), Mausoleum (120), Great Wall (126), Great library (139), Parthenon (140)
Amicalola. Notre Dame (T171), Sankore (T177) and Spiral Minaret (T185)
After Mjmd finally kicked SD out of captured border city and got peace SD left injured stack in range of Amica who took full advantage.
Amica then launched an effective invasion of Jowy.

Fwiw I tend to think that geopolitics won me the game more than the GLH (that also helped). I got very lucky that you and SD got stuck in endless war, because it allowed me to solo-conquer Lazteuq, which should never have been possible on that map for anyone to do. He also had to make a couple of unfortunate military mistakes. I believe basically every player/team planned around it not working because that was so obvious, and then I just sort of... got to, without any major consequence? Big outlier imo.

I also think it gets forgotten that Lazteuq was very strong in this game, good city count with AP + Pyramids + SPI. He and I were the two frontrunners until our war, imo - we both got unlucky to share a ring with each other. I think he stopped playing after this one because he felt he never succeeded (reading between the lines from conversations since then), so it kinda sucks that it gets forgotten.

[Mjmd]

You are saying that SD, our rational peaceful SD, torpedoed his and someone elses game!

SLANDER!!!




So part of what I added from Charriu's review was that you hit him while he was transition to monk buildings. IE he put a lot of hammers into them and hadn't gotten the payoff yet and was really behind because of it. But yes he was playing a strong game, but just got caught with his pants down.