[spoiler!] Ruffing Bull of Spain

[Krill]

...no thanks.

[Ruff_Hi]

lol

[spacetyrantxenu]

Given that I am a vasal of Ruff, a win for him is a win for me so either way. . .

Oh this is bad ... Star has checked out of this game so much that he doesn't even realize he is a vassal of Calanthian .

Wow.

[NobleHelium]

Told you you should've vassalized him, man.

[Ruff_Hi]

The game is (finally) back ... with the right turn this time. But lots of things have changed due to the illicit Isk play-through. Para has retired from the game while the admin password has been moved to a new player and changed.

Summary

• Isk has given Para the admin password
  
• Para has changed the admin password (known only by him now)
  
• Para has given up his civ
  
• Cear has picked up Para's Civ
  
• Cear (France, Isk Vassal has been turned over to an AI
  

So - what did I do:

• Killed 'Fortress' - cost me 1 Conq and probably another will die between turns
  
• Pulled my 'diversion' forces back onto the hill (Isk can hit them but that would be a very foolish move - he doesn't have enough cannons in range)
  
• Offered Cear / Para a peace deal
  
• Offered Isk a cease fire (yes, I know they are worthless)
  

[ParadigmShifter]

I think ruff was talking down the state of my civ

Still no chance of my civ actually winning though, although I did have a large enough stack to hit any invaders pretty hard.

Calanthian originally replaced deztro with me because deztro cheated,

I had problems trying to quit my civ after changing the admin password - that would have been too much of an easy win for ruff or cheatyboy anyway There's no way I'm going to continue playing on in a game in which cheating had been occurring anyway.

Show them that cheats never prosper anyway ruff

[Ruff_Hi]

I think ruff was talking down the state of my civ

I don't think that is right. Truthfully, I don't think I ever talked about your civ. Really ... who ever looks at minor civs?

[ParadigmShifter]

Miaow!

Maybe I would have done better if I opened a thread on another forum and played a game via committee instead

[Ruff_Hi]

Maybe I would have done better if I opened a thread on another forum and played a game via committee instead

Right. Anyone want to pipe in and let Paradigm know all of the top shelf suggestions I have received from RB?

RB doesn't work that way - they will pipe up and answer game mechanic questions (ie why do I only get 44 hammers from an Epic speed forest after Maths instead of 45?) but they don't provide much (any?) by way of what to do when.

[ParadigmShifter]

Dude, I'm yanking your chain

It is in the slightly dodgy territory though

I really didn't care for this game anyway, I just got asked to help out cos someone cheated and now it seems everyone except me was at it

EDIT: And trying to diss the civ of someone who retired cos he felt it was the right thing to do, who took over for a favour, to keep a game going, even though my situation was pretty bad to begin with, not cool. I would be doing OK if it was a no vassals game, I'd have had all of France by now.