[spoiler!] Ruffing Bull of Spain

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Amsterdam falls ...





I have now captured 3 dutch cities and 2 of them have delivered me a bank. That is 2 less banks that I actually have to build to unlock Wall St.

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The next turn could be a blood bath ... particularly this city on a hill ...



Note that Hans is building war elephants ... a resource that does not appear in his territory. In fact, the only sources of ivory are in Isk land - yes, Isk is trading ivory to Hans for free.

This city should fall in the North ...



Hans did hit my stack threatening Amsterdam with barrage cats during his previous turn ... I expect that he will continue with that tactic - less units to kill in his cities, my units slightly damaged (but with promotions in hand).

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The tech situation (it is a no tech trading game):

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The main Isk threat is his tech rate:



How is GNP constructed? How can I work out how much is tech and how much is other components? I'll keep a watchful eye on his tech speed via the scoreboard.

[NobleHelium]

Five scouts? Really?

Rotterdam looks like it's on flat land to me.

GNP is the sum of your gold + beakers + culture + espionage and then subtracted by expenses. If you want to work out how much is his gold + beakers - expenses (his tech), then you'd have to go around staring at each city and seeing what buildings he has that produce culture and espionage (as well as add culture from religion).

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Five scouts? Really?

I guess he was hoping that I wouldn't have the 5 units available to kill them.

Rotterdam looks like it's on flat land to me.

It is on a hill - check the picture that lists his units in the city.

GNP is the sum of your gold + beakers + culture + espionage and then subtracted by expenses.

Thanks. I'll test that formula using my info.
Edit:hmm - No. My stats from F2 are 896 + 261 + 62 + 73 - 328 or 964. My demo number is 1144. Ahh - but ... 896 x 1.2 + 261 + 62 + 73 - 328 = 1143.2 works!

If you want to work out how much is his gold + beakers - expenses (his tech), then you'd have to go around staring at each city and seeing what buildings he has that produce culture and espionage (as well as add culture from religion).

hmm - I think I can do better than just staring at cities. I'll see what info I can pull from some charts.

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EP and Culture estimates for Isk from the charts ...



EP Estimate ...
My EP went up 62. My line is 587 pixels from the bottom of the chart. His line went from 333 pixels to 338 pixels ... thus his EP went up ...

Delta Isk EP = 338 / 587 (x + 62) - 333 / 587 x
Delta Isk EP = 5 / 587 x + 338 / 587 (62)
Delta Isk EP = 5 / 587 x + 36
Delta Isk EP = 121

Where x is my total EP over the whole game (say, around 10,000).

I can check that against the EPs shown in F4 next turn. That amount doesn't seem unreasonable given that he has built some of the EP buildings (jails, etc).

Culture Estimate ...
My culture went up 261. My line went up 1 pixel from 280 to 281. So ...

Delta Isk Culture = 587 / 281 (x + 261) - 587 / 280 (x)
Delta Isk Culture = 2.08897 (x + 261) - 2.09643 (x)
Delta Isk Culture = 2.08897 (261) - 0.00746 (x)
Delta Isk Culture = 2.08897 (261) - 0.00746 (10000)
Delta Isk Culture = 471

Where is is my total Culture over the whole game (say, 9k to 10k)

I can check his top 3 cities next turn against F8.



I am worried that I have my maths wrong here - can someone review? Let's see if I can come at the Culture estimate a different way ...

Delta Culture Isk = current turn culture - prior turn culture
Delta Culture Isk = 587 current turn pixels - 587 prior turn pixels

587 prior turn pixel = (587 - 11) current turn pixels

Delta Culture Isk = 587 current turn pixels - (587 - 11) current turn pixels
Delta Culture Isk = 11 current turn pixels
Delta Culture Isk = 11 (10k / 281)
Delta Culture Isk = 392

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Gold estimate
He has the Jewish shrine (27% population). I have the Conf shrine (40% yielding 29g or 72g after multipliers). He also has the Spiral Minaret. So, lets say he gets 100g per turn from those.

Expense Estimate
He has a bigger civ than I do (more spread out), but he also has his Forbidden Kingdom and Versailles ... so lets say his expenses are a little lower than mine at 300.

So, GNP = Beckers x multiplier + Culture + EP + gold - expenses

Iks formula is :

2095 = Beckers x Mult + 471 + 121 + 100 - 300
Beckers x Mult = 2095 - (471 + 121 + 100 - 300)
Beckers x Mult = 1703
Beckers = 1419

... or about 60% higher than mine. Hmm - that sounds bad. I feel as if I estimated low on his gold and expenses so that is a high range estimate.

[Krill]

Just take over the two civs and you are in a pretty good position.

[NobleHelium]

The percentage population on the religion screen is weighted by the size of the city (and divided by the number of religions per city - basically think of it as a realistic estimate of how many citizens in the world follow that religion). Shrine income is per city. So, that's not very accurate.

I wouldn't worry too much about his higher GNP - you've stolen quite a few techs to balance it out.

Also I don't see why you're even trying to calculate his exact gold gain or whatever. Gold now just translates to beakers later. The only thing that matters is the sum of beakers and gold, which will change depending on slider position anyway.