[SPOILERS] Yossarian blames Caledorn

[YossarianLives]

Ok team, I need your help.

We're going to start with a worker, complete on T12. The worker will farm the Corn, complete on T16 or T17 (depending on whether we move the capital 1N). Then it will probably build a mine, complete T21 or T22. I'm thinking we'll research Mining first, complete on T8, followed by BW, complete on T24. So the Worker can start chopping forests after it finishes the mine.

So, what do we build after the first worker, a quechua or another worker? At first I was thinking Quechua, but then we just grow quickly to size 2 or 3 onto unimproved tiles. Is that better than building a second worker at size 1? If we build the quechua, do we then go into a Settler?

Another option is to tech AH before Mining=>BW. That will let us improve the sheep after the corn, but then we just need to build a couple fairly useless mines while waiting for BW to come in (or farm the riverside tile if we move our capital 1N, but I want that to be a cottage fairly soon). We could get the Settler out on T33 without any chops if we go Worker=>Quechua=>Settler, working the Corn and Sheep at size 2. Also, when do we need to start thinking about Fishing to net those fish? I'm thinking not until after we get all the worker techs we need, including Pottery, but that might not be the most efficient tech path.

I'm really conflicted about what's the best course of action here.

Edit: I tried to attach a sandbox save, but I got a message saying the type of file I attached is not allowed. Anyone know how / if I can attach a Civ save to my post?

Edit 2: NobleHelium kind of answered my question below. Does this link work for the save?

[NobleHelium]

Attachments are buggy and randomly disappear right now. If your post had an attachment it's not there anymore. You should just provide a link.

[SevenSpirits]

We've had some very strong games played with Isabella and reported well.

PBEM23: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=4327
PBEM25 Vets: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=4405
PBEM38: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=5003

[YossarianLives]

Thanks for those links SevenSpirits, I look forward to checking them out. I don't often venture into the PBEMs (though I know I should). Based on the authors, I'm sure all three will be very educational.

I played around with some different opening options, and I think that our best bet will be AH (T14) => Mining (T21) => BW (T35). For builds, we'll go Worker (T12) => Quechua (T21) => Settler (T32). The Worker will farm the corn (T17), pasture the sheep (T22), farm the riverside grass (because we'll most likely settle 1N) (T27), Mine the grass hill (T32). Then we'll sit around for a bit until we can start chopping. Right now, I'm thinking city 2 will go 2S of where our Settler is standing now.

Here are some pictures of what I'm talking about:

Here is a link to the save.

[Old Harry]

Those pictures aren't working for me.

No time to sim, but if you test
- mining -> BW -> Fishing (2 workers)
- mining -> Fishing -> BW (worker-work boat-worker?)
- mining -> BW -> AH (2 workers)
- AH -> mining -> BW (2 workers)
To see which gets the second settler out quickest and has both cities working improved resources soonest that should cover it... That's not much help is it?

[scooter]

What the heck is going on in the Tech thread?

Stole the words out of my mouth . I scroll down and see this:

As a member of communist party since 1923 and NKVD (НКВД in russian) comissar since 1927 I'm here to respectfully announce for all bourgeois pigs and intervents:

(1) - Voland was a myth. If any supernatural being tried to visit Moscow He had to put 6 different identity paper through my department, 6 copies each. It will be checked by 6 of my clercks after. I've reread my archives from 1929 through 1940 and no Voland registered.

(2) - All of His circle seems pretty unrealistic. Koroviev, Gella, Azazello... and Behemoth (can you imagine a cat tried to pay a ticket in public transportation, comrade? I can't, and our department discussed this matter with every last one of checktakers who works the tram in Moscow any day since 1917).

(3) - We are atheists. We don't believe in God. Or Devil (Dolor supervivo caro. Dolor sublimus caro. Dolor ignio animus... As it ever was).

(4) - All events described in that book was a fiction or mass halucinations, as last chapter tells you.

(5) - Obviously, I have too much time to post some nonsense here.

(6) - Wanna reread this book now, damn.

And I nope'd out of that thread pretty quickly.

Yossarian: I especially recommend Seven's first link. Their PBEM23 thread was one of the most educational threads around here for me personally. It actually kinda got me back into civ when I took a break. Anyway, my natural feel for openings is always a little iffy. I'll try some sim variations if I get some time later today.

[Caledorn]

So, in some kind of summary, this is what we have for leaders/civs:

Team	Leader	Civ
Eagles & Condors	Pacal	Native America
Dinosaurs	Darius	English
M&M	Willem	Ottomans
Bowsling/Aivoturso	Mansa Musa	Zululand
Orgynized	Huayna Capac	Netherlands
Blame Caledorn	Isabella	Inca
Carebears	Victoria	India
dick76/DMOC	Surry	Byzantium
MLMCPony	Napoleon	Sumeria
haram/barteq	Ragnar	Rome

No funny remarks or comments right now except that there are some highly unorthodox pairings up there.....

[YossarianLives]

Those pictures aren't working for me.

You can blame Caledorn for that, he was supposed to show me what I'm doing wrong with not being able to post pictures from our dropbox folder.

No time to sim, but if you test
- mining -> BW -> Fishing (2 workers)
- mining -> Fishing -> BW (worker-work boat-worker?)
- mining -> BW -> AH (2 workers)
- AH -> mining -> BW (2 workers)
To see which gets the second settler out quickest and has both cities working improved resources soonest that should cover it... That's not much help is it?

Lots of homework! I'll try to work on those today. I was having trouble finding enough for just one worker to do, but let's see what I can come up with if we get an earlier bw. My test city two based on just what I could see from Plako's screenshot shares a lot if tiles with the capital, so it could immediately work the corn, river farm or grass mine.

What the heck is going on in the Tech thread?

Stole the words out of my mouth . I scroll down and see this:

As a member of communist party since 1923 and NKVD (НКВД in russian) comissar since 1927 I'm here to respectfully announce...

And I nope'd out of that thread pretty quickly.

Yossarian: I especially recommend Seven's first link. Their PBEM23 thread was one of the most educational threads around here for me personally. It actually kinda got me back into civ when I took a break. Anyway, my natural feel for openings is always a little iffy. I'll try some sim variations if I get some time later today.

Thanks for the tip, I'll check that one out first. That's a pretty strong recommendation. Caledorn tells me he's already reading it, so any mistakes we make are his fault.

So, in some kind of summary, this is what we have for leaders/civs:

Team	Leader	Civ
Eagles & Condors	Pacal	Native America
Dinosaurs	Darius	English
M&M	Willem	Ottomans
Bowsling/Aivoturso	Mansa Musa	Zululand
Orgynized	Huayna Capac	Netherlands
Blame Caledorn	Isabella	Inca
Carebears	Victoria	India
dick76/DMOC	Surry	Byzantium
MLMCPony	Napoleon	Sumeria
haram/barteq	Ragnar	Rome

No funny remarks or comments right now except that there are some highly unorthodox pairings up there.....

Great table, thanks for posting that. I'll try to do some analysis, but right now I think testing or starts is more important.

[Caledorn]

Just a small test to see if I am technically apt enough to make a dropbox image link...

[Caledorn]

Okay, so that worked. But also strikes me as very inefficient. Please correct me, any lurker who has experience using dropbox as a sharing facility for images/files, if there is an easier way to do this:

I have to right click the image/file in my local dropbox folder, and select "Share dropbox link". Then I paste that link into an IMG-tag, and then I have to replace www.dropbox.com with dl.dropbox.com manually. Admittedly, replacing www with dl isn't a big deal, but if I have to do it with 10-20-30 images at a time I'm going to use an external editor to use auto-replace obviously...

If there is not an easier way, then consider this your explanation Yossarian - just blame me if it's too complicated for you