[SPOILERS] Scooticator and Pindooter give a sporting try

[scooter]

Yeah but i thought you were talking about Lewwyn

Sorry it wasn't chat, it was here in thread:

If Commodore rejects, our backup plan can be to offer copper + surplus gems to Black Sword for ivory since he rejected our copper/ivory trade. Actually... what do you think about trying that first? If we can get a happy without helping a neighbor, that sounds nice.

Yeah, that sounds good. I would almost offer the copper for horses now because we don't want to waste time in helping Black Sword fight off dtay's troops.

Edit: or offer copper + gold for ivory now...

Did I misunderstand something? I thought this was a definite thumbs-up to my idea. What do you want to do?

[pindicator]

It probably doesn't help that i have no recollection of saying that... Sorry this has been a crazy week

[NobleHelium]

Mardoc
how good are archers?
I guess a certain Khmer game showed them to have some potential
Commodore
They are pretty okay
But best if used against hubris

Are you going to take that, scooter?!

[scooter]

Reload happened, turn rolled, I logged in. Uh, I guess the trade went through after all?



I definitely did not offer that twice, so I'm not sure what to say about that. Anyway, our daily galley update is particularly interesting today. For starters, let's check in with Cris Carter out west:



Er, not that Cris Carter and not THAT west.



Much better. So that's why Suttree is struggling so much. Neighbor mackoti will do that to you. By the way, from what I understand, mackoti is basically playing this solo now. That makes this team a lot more formidable, so that's something to keep an eye on. Offered a map swap:



They've got 7 cities to our 8 (and suttree's 4), so he's doing just fine. Adrian Peterson then moved out east and well we're just raking in the contacts right now:



That's Molach, who I'm assuming is working with Dhalphir or something? This is ex-Serdoa. Anyway.... I'm hesitant to offer a map swap with these guys. I don't want our map getting out of control, and we miss circumnav for some reason. The main concern is Plako gets their maps and uses all the knowledge we could theoretically get from mackoti and steals circumnav from us. How about offering them gold for their map? 10 gold maybe? Not until we get Calendar, though. (preview-edit: and until one of us gets Currency )

Oh, I'm getting way ahead of myself. I have bad news:



Plako finished Great Lighthouse, and we didn't get failgold from it because this was the first turn we would have invested hammers, nor did we have a build behind GLH . Ugh, silly pitboss. Sorry about that, I should have had one behind it to be safe. Anyway, I think the plan was settler out of here before MoM, so settler now seems like a nice bet. More on that in a minute. Then I think we need to figure out how to best line up overflow to dump into MoM the turn we get Calendar finished. Here's the island dotmap picture for Noble:



So how to do this? I think we shoudl bring that galley back to Trailblazers now, pick up that settler, plant a new city on this island. Any votes on where to place it?

In just general foreign comments, I did notice this:



So this is mildly positive news for us, in that Commodore isn't truly boxed in to the extent he was in PB8. Black Sword is not a completely unreasonable expansion target for him, especially with how good the land is that way. Just look at Sleeper. Triple food + Ivory defended by a civ that promises to lag behind later in the game? And double fish at the island that bridges Commodore to Black Sword? Plus Hindu holy city. I would be aiming this way if I was Commodore. Maybe wishful thinking, we'll see. Dtay might just kill him by then:



Dtay not screwing around. Notice the Hinduism (holy city pictured here) spread into Red Wings. That's our first religion pop, and I didn't notice it until now somehow. That might be a worthwhile religion to go with and spread, given that the holy city is owned by a civ that isn't a serious threat to win. We'll see, we could always target Taoism or something instead.

[NobleHelium]

You do know the holy city is going to be owned by another civ soon right?

Anyway I think the GLH fail worked out fine, looks like we got the previous turn's hammers as overflow? That's a lot of overflow into the settler that I see.

As for settling the island, I would settle 1N of the fish next and then backfill later at 2W of the clam and 1E of the wheat. Build Moai at the 1N of fish location, 13 coast, 2 ocean. And five forests...

[NobleHelium]

Oh wow Hinduism was founded in his capital. That explains a lot.

[pindicator]

Oh yeah, we gotta remember to always queue something after any wonder we go for. I forgot about that after being such a zealot about it for Stonehenge. Better that we lost it now I suppose than later; we can get back to development.

As for dotmaps, two options jump out at me:





I like I like the red one better.


And yeah, let's spread Hinduism. We want the OR bonus and later in the game we should be able to take over that capital for the shrine. If we can't take over that capital then we aren't going to win anyway.

[NobleHelium]

I prefer yellow since it gets a stronger Moai site and saves three forests.

[pindicator]

I prefer yellow since it gets a stronger Moai site and saves three forests.

I was just having second thoughts - yellow gets us more coast tiles too, which take advantage of being FIN

[pindicator]

I jumped in game to look around and put us back to working the cottages at the capital. Also turned down a map trade request from dhalpir & molach.