[NO PLAYERS] The Kibitzer Klub: PB13 Map & Lurkers

[Twinkletoes89]

Well said Bob

[Dhalphir]

You don't owe your attackers anything. You can whip down every city to size 1 before it is captured and delete every worker.

The only city where that is slightly questionable is the very last city, because then there is literally no benefit. But for every other city, there is nothing stopping my attacker taking only a few cities and then stopping to rest, and if I only gave him 3-4 size one cities due to spite whipping, then there's no chance of those being turned against me, ever.

[pindicator]

I'm tired of trying to debate good sportsmanship. If certain people don't want to respect the people they're playing games with enough to keep themselves from doing spiteful things just because they can, then they better not complain when other people act spiteful towards them in a game. Since it's all fair game, after all.

[SevenSpirits]

I agree with the bob man.

[Gaspar]

Kind of sad that the RB community is beginning to Balkanize, but I guess self-indulgent invitational games are the wave of the future if you're such a prima donna that you aren't willing to play with someone because they're too frustrating to conquer.

Yeah, can't imagine why the community would Balkanize when every 2nd time you open your mouth in your preceding screed its to constantly insult the people who disagree with you. Particularly, as you say, you have virtually no experience in the situation at hand, since you don't play the game in consideration.

Congratulations, you managed to yell loud enough to shout down the opposing viewpoint. You can find me in a self-indulgent invitational if you have anything to say to me specifically.

[Ceiliazul]

An interesting side-discussion here is the value of upgrading units in RBMod. When tech costs are as enormous as they are now, upgrading units becomes a relatively better use of commerce than normal. Given that commerce has always been something we have a lot of, we've done it a LOT in this game (remember, we haven't been in slavery since BEFORE we built up for the Nakor war - we've whipped like 6 units all game), and I think in the end it's been immensely valuable.

This was a really interesting point from Scooter a few days back. I think he's spot on, and we've seen way more unit upgrades from many players in this game that would appear odd in base bts. However, this seems a bit overboard:

I'm nearly finished modernizing my cavalry. I think the count is about 45 cavs, 24 rifles, with 16 Cuirs left to upgrade, a cost of 1280 gold.

I understand that William always feels like death is around the corner (I blame Mindy!) but surely there's better uses for 1200g than preventative upgrades.

[Krill]

I think I'm going to remove city trading, multiple whips and pillaging your own land from the mod.

[Gavagai]

Multiple whips are OK but both pillaging your land and city trading add value to the game I think. The fact that people abuse the mechanics sometimes doesn't justify its removal.

[Krill]

If people can't agree over what is and is not abuse of the system, which this thread is a pretty good indicator that the community can't, then removing them completely is going to be the best option. Minor value is not worth the cost.

[Rowain]

Although supply plays no role in Civ and scorched earth is not as effective as it was for Russia during Napoleonic war I do think pillaging your own land is better sportsmanship than handing over size 12 cities without resistance or building wonders for your conqueror.

The one thing I do see as unsportsmanlike is to multiwhip your last city on its last turn (= for units that won't come into existence anyway).