[PB69] Lurking the dreams of summer

[Krill]

Yeah, if I was in Pins position and I held Rome in a secure fashion (and to be fair, 10WE versus a mainly HA based army is incredibly secure), I do not think I'd consider peace with Commodore a mistake. Add in the miltiary tech position and being FIN, the inland sea proble, I'd probably be quite happy to focus on getting to knights before any realistic attack.

Commodore is going to struggle to attack Bing though, unless he somehow locks down the border with Pin. Would castles and muskets be enough? The bulb plan to Chemistry might ac tually make PIn a viable target, no one can take his cities apart from Commodore and he can just roll through him with PRO S.14 grenadiers, so it's quite a nuanced position to evaluate.

[Qgqqqqq]

Pindicator shouldn't be worried about Rome. Commodore is a sensible player and quite aware of how much it would tilt pin if he snipped it.

[Krill]

Anyone know how 8 HA do against two praets defending at +75%? I suspect not great, and as there are no workers in Pins stack I do not know how he could hold Rome because it would only be the surviving HA which hold the city when there are already 6 HA and a chariot in Cumae and this doesn't count the units moved down from Antium.

[Mjmd]

The culture would be gone after capture so he could move whole stack in.

However, I suspect he won't take the risk / HA losses.

I'm curious if either SD or Bing will try to take Commodores isolated city while Gav is holed up in Cumea. It was a greedy play by Commodore to keep it, which I liked, but Gav certainly seems to have picked him to take his wrath out on.

[Krill]

No, Pin can't: Pins stack is on a hill with no workers so even if he captured Rome his stack cannot reinforce the city.

[Mjmd]

Ah I missed that he didn't have combat workers. Then I definitely think he won't go for.

[Krill]

Oh dear Pin, Gav will spend 2 turns healing his stack, then move it 1N and obliterate you if you try to hold Rome. And all it will take is for him to spend a few HA to retake the city next turn if he wants to bait more in...

Praets get the +25% city attack right? So even if every single axe was C1/shock the praets will have odds...

[scooter]

Wouldn't Gav be more likely to hole up in Cumae rather than risk getting caught on open ground between two enemy stacks? He does have to choose - he can't hold both cities.

[El Grillo]

I just checked and Praetorians do not get +25% city attack in CtH, so maybe C1/shock axes can do okay depending on how injured/promoted Gav's units are at that point.

[Krill]

Wouldn't Gav be more likely to hole up in Cumae rather than risk getting caught on open ground between two enemy stacks? He does have to choose - he can't hold both cities.

Commodore can attack from his front city, but the units in the captured city are pinned and can't reach a Gav stack positioned between the cities, so Gav only needs to hold Cumae against fast movers. And now Pin has just trashed his few remaining fastmovers, even if Pin holds Rome he can't reach Gavs stack positioned 1N of Cumae (which is 2SW of Rome).

I just checked and Praetorians do not get +25% city attack in CtH, so maybe C1/shock axes can do okay depending on how injured/promoted Gav's units are at that point.

I just checked, Pin has 8 axes, but only six of them are C1, and none are shock.

And Gav has a medic three chariot and his units are healing in a city so he will gain 45hp per turn. Every single one of his praets will be full strength next turn, and his remaining 6 HA will be mostly healed (can't tell on a per unit basis).

I'd bet a tenner that Gav can retake and hold Rome. I don't think it is close. It's 22 highly promoted praets against 11 less promoted WE and Gav has a couple of cats to help out. Then Pins cats get annihilated by everything remaining.