I'd go with krill and add a sheep for Spain and change to a fish for celtia, and no other changes.
|
[PB69] Lurking the dreams of summer
|
 (December 17th, 2022, 12:45)Mjmd Wrote: If you are just doing single player maps I recommend the 60% or 70% water options for tectonics. I used to play A LOT of single player and that became my default as it produces some interesting looking maps. I only went with the 30% water here for balance purposes. Just for clarity, you are saying leave Celt and Spain as in the below screenshots (quoted from your post): Spain:  (My suggestion is revert to origin which is fish one tile further from the capital and a grass cow in lieu of a grass pig on the same tile and add a sheep somewhere in the BFC, on a grass, grass hill, or plains hill tile but leave it to random which one it is. This suggestion is offered with no knowledge where any hidden resources are). Celts:  (To be clear I agree with leaving Celts as in the above screenshot)
Ok so we agree on celts.
With the plains hill I'm fine with Spain start being a little different. If you added a grassland sheep it would make it much better than pretty much any start. Grassland hill is currently being occupied by iron, but iron has been moved for other starts (I replaced some irons with horses and then moved iron to capitals). This one started there but could be moved. However, I also think that would still be much stronger than most starts. So I guess I could add a plains hill sheep (lord knows there are enough of them on this map). The other option of course is to do something like grassland sheep and make the current hill a grassland hill to bring it in line with every other start.
I think you could leave Celts as is. I hadn't realised it was lacking any 5f tiles. I think Spain is fine as is, but you could also do Krill's suggestion.
(December 17th, 2022, 17:11)Mjmd Wrote: Ok so we agree on celts. Yeah, I agree that a grass sheep would make it a decent start in an absolute sense (considering RB start variety). I don't know if it would make it the best start, but it would be no worse than second (Looking at Khmer it's close but Spain probably would edge it; in reality the fact a Fishing civ got the Spain start would probably make it the better start due to the plains hill given the tech difficulty). Personally, I prefer the idea of randomness deciding some of it, but if I were making the decision I would prefer to try and place it on a legal plains hill tile, especially given the iron location. Spain left with only two food resources compared to everyone else getting three minimum does feel unfair. I don't think the plains hill makes up for that loss given the other downsides. One issue with Spain getting a pig is alot of the start is front loaded (ie the plains hill speeds up the fish hook up which speeds up the worker which would speed up the pig and hence more early growth). In that sense Spain with the grass pig is actually the fastest start of all of them. Moving the fish inward just feeds into that; keeping the fish outer ring and a grass cow would soften that issue slightly, then a plains hill sheep would stop Spain hitting a brick wall at size 3.
December 17th, 2022, 17:31
(This post was last modified: December 17th, 2022, 17:39 by Amicalola.)
If the resources are a fish and a pig and plans hill that sort of makes up for it. Maybe. Spain can also do the 5hammer into WB start that no one else is even close to. Again, they did ask for a random map.
Yeah, I don't think it's that big of an issue, except the pig isn't random. Random would have been the fish and a grass cow. Hand of God A is fish and grass pig, hand of God B is fish, grass cow and a plains hill sheep.
Edit: The edit in previous post somewhat points out the issue. |
