RBP8 IT and Tech Issues Thread

[Azza]

Apologies guys but i'm going to be away from all computer access saturday and sunday. i've played this morning but after that i'll need a pause until monday.

That works out well for me, because I'm obscenely busy this weekend.

[Bigger]

Apologies guys but i'm going to be away from all computer access saturday and sunday. i've played this morning but after that i'll need a pause until monday.

That works out well for me, because I'm obscenely busy this weekend.

weekends are the only time I'm not busy was looking forward to not holding up the turn for a few days

[pindicator]

I really haven tested anything, but based on just to the code (also assuming iNoTechTradeModifier = 50)
* NTT games modifier is flat 25%
* In tech trading games it is 0% in the beginning and raises 50%->100%->150%, when you get Paper, Scientific method and Corporation.

Well, it should be possible to observe once paper is learned.
I wiuld expect it to be the opposite of what is written - you'd want a large known civ bonus when TT isn't available gor catching up with

[T-hawk]

Trading is a gigantic multiplier. The extremely large known civ bonus is to make self-research competitive with that gigantic multiplier. Otherwise, tech progress is completely dependend on who you can find to trade with you and not your ability to develop your own research.

[Krill]

It's also necessary to enable second and third place players to catch up with a tech leader, because they don't get the full effect of the bonus.

[NobleHelium]

I really haven tested anything, but based on just to the code (also assuming iNoTechTradeModifier = 50)
* NTT games modifier is flat 25%
* In tech trading games it is 0% in the beginning and raises 50%->100%->150%, when you get Paper, Scientific method and Corporation.

Well, it should be possible to observe once paper is learned.
I wiuld expect it to be the opposite of what is written - you'd want a large known civ bonus when TT isn't available gor catching up with

The code is very clear. The known tech bonus is 25% and it is the same for the entire duration of the game. It doesn't really matter what Krill intended at this point, because the game has already started.

[Bigger]

yeah

[spacetyrantxenu]

Does it really not matter? I don't want any spoilers but if no one is yet at the point where the boosted modifiers should be kicking in, what does it hurt to patch the mod if the results we're getting is a bug? If the design intent is for one thing and we're getting something else, that's a bug, and that kind of thing usually gets fixed whether software is in production or not. (And even if someone is at the point of triggering boosted modifiers, does that even matter? When you find a bug, you fix it when it's discovered if possible/desirable).

If fixing it changes how the game plays out, well, wasn't that what the mod was supposed to do in the first place?

Caveat, I'm someone who would benefit from increased known tech modifiers so I'm trying to be impartial and look at this from a bug/fix point of view, not from a player point of view. But feel free to discard my opinion if my objectivity is in question.

From a technical/hosting standpoint, is it possible to change the mod mid-game? I assume Sunrise would have to take down the game, reload the game(s) starting this one first with a fixed version of the mod, then the players would need to install the fixed version, and off we go. Not a big deal if that's all there is to it, IMO.

[Serdoa]

I think the save-games do have some information about the version they are played with. A new version of the mod might very well break the savegame. So I think it wouldn't be as easy as you hope xenu.

[plako]

IMO no need to change anything for this game. Known civ bonus is almost default (25% vs. 30%). Techs beyond paper are very expensive, but I do think it makes intresting twist special for this game. One just had to adjust.