[NO PLAYERS] The Kibitzer Klub: PB13 Map & Lurkers

[Ceiliazul]

without context, seems awfully fast. however, when the leaders have 40 cities and peacetime civics, its not really. Im bummed that Free Market is so overwhelmingly popular, but again that's just a victim of the intercontinental island-heavy map. which is excellent, by the way.

I keep waiting for Commodore to turn on Scooter. Maybe in 10t, with Kremlin in hand, and Lewwyn* launching dead livestock over the walls from the south, he'll see the opportunity. In that contingency, Comm really has a chance to win... but he's not even admitting it's an option! Cavs would cut thru the Viking mainland like butter, and you know Mack would join in as well. The Naval threat is real, but the vikings have no standing army in the East.

*scooter said Lewwyn "changed the mental calculus." The difference between Bigger is so large, it's like comparing a raccoon to, well, a bear! Even if Commodore doesnt pile on, Scooter will not win this game with Lewwyn at the table.

[Mardoc]

Wanted to comment on this. We had fought for our side of what we thought was right and lost. So you're saying after the admin okayed sell cities we should then hobble ourselves against the rest of the field out of a sense of moral rightness?

As Krill said, mostly I was just struck by the irony. If your preferred policy went into effect - it would have pretty much just limited you, no one else wants to trade away cities at this time. And in fact your choice there was the least objectionable end of trading cities - done specifically to increase your odds of winning, rather than to kingmake.

@Krill: The tech pace seems actually pretty reasonable. Fast enough that new stuff is coming along steadily, but no ridiculous streaks of 1-turned techs. No idea if this is balanced, but it seems more fun. I'm pretty amazed by the raw numbers, but the pace is good.

[Gazglum]

I think the tech rate is good. If the superpowers take 4 turns to research Physics, that means smaller civs are looking at 10+ turns, and that's probably about as slow as I'd want before things stop being fun - especially at this stage of the tech tree which oftens feels just like a long empty road between the Renaissance and the Industrial eras, where the biggest event of note is watching your tech decrease by 25% as you get scientific method.

[Ceiliazul]

I want to whip so many more units, but I'm waiting for theocracy, so right now I'm trying to line up whips by putting a turn into different units in queues.

scooter has mentioned the possibility of an attack from Lewwyn, but not as a immediate worry. Lewwyn has *already* whipped more than 15 pop... at what point does scooter adjust the doomsday clock?? the answer is already, "too late."

[Ceiliazul]

Commodore could still take advantage... kremrushed armies build scary fast.

[BaII]

Commodore can easily thrown in a handful of drafted rifles too if he wanted too. Along with Mack piling on. It won't really be easy for Scooter to hold on I think. Though that might never happen since dogpiles are difficult to set up.

[pindicator]

If Commodore could get a competitive spirit going then he definitely could do some damage
I mean it can't be too hard to see what Lewwyn is up to, between the name change and the massive amounts of whipping. Then again, if scooter sees it he isn't letting on in thread either.

[Krill]

Commodore can't capture cities and hold them from mack. He can't win from this position.

[Hashoosh]

Lewwyn damages Scooter badly enough -> mack jumps in -> plako takes his chance -> commodore has free reign

Probably not likely that it'll happen like that though.

[Dhalphir]

Why do people keep talking about Communism's great spy - didn't Commodore already get it a couple turns back?