February 12th, 2010, 21:23
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@Sunrise - in fairness to CoW, this war would be a more complex operation since it involves a prolonged campaign, while the Imperio backstab basically sealed their fate on the first turn. Of course, much of the complexity of the CoW plan is because they couldn't DOW at the same time...
Also, Spulla of course saw at least some of the dogpile coming (and prepared accordingly) even before the screwup with seeing Kathlete's mounted troops in Jowy's lands, while poor Naldo trusted us completely until the DoW turn
February 13th, 2010, 10:51
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and so the tide turns: Dantski Wrote:Had a look through emails I've had from CoW and found no agreements.
I have made peace with India, I will not be providing them with info on CoW for the next 10 turns Sullla Wrote:Uh oh! Bad news for the mega-alliance! Dantski has cut a deal with us and we now have peace + an NAP that stretches to Turn 130! Full chat transcript below (it's pretty boring, but we'll post it):
Speaker (10:24:54 AM) has entered the room.
Sullla (10:24:54 AM) has entered the room.
Dante2585 (10:26:57 AM) has entered the room.
Dante2585 (10:27:05 AM): ahh outnumbered
Sullla (10:27:07 AM): hi dantski
Dante2585 (10:27:12 AM): hi you
Sullla (10:27:17 AM): watching the FA cup this afternoon?
Dante2585 (10:27:31 AM): watched s'hampton pompey already
Sullla (10:27:38 AM): who's your club?
Dante2585 (10:27:46 AM): bournemouth
Sullla (10:27:59 AM): sorry, I don't know about them - which division?
Dante2585 (10:28:06 AM): 4th tier
Sullla (10:28:12 AM): ooh, you're a true fan! haha
Speaker (10:28:15 AM): heh
Dante2585 (10:28:26 AM): anyway
Dante2585 (10:28:34 AM): id quite like peace ingame
Sullla (10:28:59 AM): well we'd be happy to do that - status quo antebellum would be fine
Sullla (10:29:09 AM): we'd also be happy to ally with you, if you'd like
Dante2585 (10:29:16 AM): yeah
Sullla (10:29:19 AM): we're prepared to offer you units in support against Nakor if you want
Dante2585 (10:29:27 AM): i realize you're likely to backstab me later
Dante2585 (10:29:32 AM): for choosing unwisely earlier
Sullla (10:29:41 AM): no, no, we don't hold it against you
Sullla (10:29:43 AM): honestly
Sullla (10:29:49 AM): you had to attack one of your neighbors
Speaker (10:29:49 AM): we don't harbor any grudge against you, to be honest...we are neighbors...you have every right to attack us, and you acted honorably
Sullla (10:29:56 AM): we just wish it had been Nakor and not us!
Sullla (10:30:07 AM): and you never lied to us, you were honest throughout
Dante2585 (10:30:19 AM): one thing i would insist on as part of peace
Dante2585 (10:30:40 AM): i would like to withold giving you unit info on others for 10 turns
Sullla (10:30:47 AM): that's fine, we understand
Dante2585 (10:31:06 AM): and at the moment i wish to build not make war with HRE
Sullla (10:31:14 AM): sure, no problem
Sullla (10:31:21 AM): we were just offering if you wanted assistance
Dante2585 (10:31:37 AM): id be happy to offer you a worker too
Dante2585 (10:31:43 AM): for the one i murdered
Sullla (10:31:48 AM): that's very generous
Sullla (10:31:52 AM): we appreciate that a lot
Dante2585 (10:32:09 AM): oh one other thing
Dante2585 (10:32:17 AM): wondering where my units would end up
Dante2585 (10:32:21 AM): if we made peace now
Speaker (10:32:26 AM): perhaps down the road once we've each gotten built up a bit, we might talk about trading your cheaper settlers for some fast workers
Sullla (10:32:33 AM): umm, I think they would go back to your land? not sure on that
Speaker (10:32:42 AM): which would help you clear out your jungle a good deal faster
Speaker (10:32:51 AM): they will be moved to the nearest neutral tile
Dante2585 (10:32:55 AM): well the worst of it is gone
Sullla (10:33:13 AM): would you like an NAP agreement? we could sign one if you want, or not if you prefer
Dante2585 (10:33:27 AM): i think a NAP would be a good idea
Dante2585 (10:33:37 AM): just to show i dont intend to attack you in 10 turns
Sullla (10:33:47 AM): sure, how long would you like?
Dante2585 (10:33:54 AM): i think its up to you
Speaker (10:33:59 AM): your stack between gettsburg and chancellors would unfortunately move NW-NW...but we would allow you to move them back through our land via road
Sullla (10:34:11 AM): umm, how about 25 turns as a starter?
Sullla (10:34:19 AM): would give us both some breathing room
Speaker (10:34:22 AM): the stack between antietam and fredericks would move onto the praetorians (i think)
Dante2585 (10:34:24 AM): what turn is it at present?
Sullla (10:34:32 AM): Speaker, do you know?
Speaker (10:34:39 AM): 109
Sullla (10:34:49 AM): maybe to like turn 130 or turn 135 then?
Dante2585 (10:34:50 AM): NAP to 130?
Sullla (10:34:54 AM): yeah, that would work
Dante2585 (10:35:19 AM): oh im obligated to return HRE to axes
Sullla (10:35:26 AM): return?
Dante2585 (10:35:34 AM): yes they loaned me 2
Sullla (10:35:45 AM): ok, that's fine
Sullla (10:35:48 AM): we understand
Dante2585 (10:36:05 AM): oh yeah and you've mentioned crydee is close to gao before
Dante2585 (10:36:22 AM): crydee was a barb city i wanted them to raze
Dante2585 (10:36:35 AM): and i settled gao when it was still a barb city
Sullla (10:36:35 AM): yeah, that seemed like a bit of a jerk move on their part
Sullla (10:36:49 AM): would you be willing to join the game and sign the peace treaty right now?
Dante2585 (10:36:58 AM): can do
Sullla (10:37:00 AM): ok
Sullla (10:37:12 AM): Speaker's going to join you in game
Sullla (10:37:21 AM): I can send you a nice email about all this
Sullla (10:37:33 AM): peace and NAP to 130, plus hopefully some future cooperation
Sullla (10:37:51 AM): we are game for getting some revenge on Nakor, who lied to us for a full month in emails 
Speaker (10:39:25 AM): wow, those units surprised me
Speaker (10:39:29 AM): where they moved, i mean
Dante2585 (10:39:47 AM): the NW ones?
Speaker (10:39:53 AM): yes
Speaker (10:40:06 AM): i thought they'd move NW-NW, that being the closest neutral territory
Dante2585 (10:40:15 AM): oh well
Dante2585 (10:40:40 AM): now i have to prepare for a backlash from others
Speaker (10:40:54 AM): well, none of them are in much position to do anything about it at the moment
Sullla (10:40:56 AM): well what can they really do?
Sullla (10:41:01 AM): Nakor's army sucks
Sullla (10:41:06 AM): Whosit's units are in our territory
Speaker (10:41:09 AM): and we'll be there to help you if/when they can
Dante2585 (10:41:10 AM): well
Sullla (10:41:12 AM): Jowy and Kathlete can't reach you
Dante2585 (10:41:19 AM): as i said i dont want ot give you info for 10 turns
Dante2585 (10:41:28 AM): so i know one or two things
Dante2585 (10:41:46 AM): incidentally
Dante2585 (10:41:54 AM): would you like me to loan you any units?
Sullla (10:42:06 AM): I think we're ok, thanks
Sullla (10:42:10 AM): but we appreciate the offer
Sullla (10:42:25 AM): wait
Sullla (10:42:47 AM): sorry, Speaker faked me out there for a second, we're good
Speaker (10:42:58 AM): i was considering that hill skirmisher...such a nice unit
Speaker (10:43:05 AM): better than our unpromoted archers
Dante2585 (10:43:13 AM): can provide a few
Dante2585 (10:43:24 AM): obviously had a few spare incase you sent HA's past
Speaker (10:43:49 AM): well, if you have some lying around, we would definitely appreciate them
Dante2585 (10:44:07 AM): would be ones from gao
Dante2585 (10:44:20 AM): i think the one from my east stack might get preated
Dante2585 (10:44:40 AM): anything else you'd like to discuss?
Speaker (10:44:40 AM): i doubt they'll attack your units on the jungle
Dante2585 (10:44:55 AM): have to draft an email or two
Sullla (10:45:14 AM): I think we're good for now
Speaker (10:45:16 AM): ok sounds good.
Sullla (10:45:20 AM): but we'll stay in email contact
Dante2585 (10:45:34 AM): and try to make one of those RB game nights
Sullla (10:45:40 AM): absolutely
Dante2585 (10:45:50 AM): tis bad when im giving orders
Speaker (10:45:54 AM):
Dante2585 (10:46:11 AM): ok hopping back onto gmail
Dante2585 (10:46:14 AM): thanks guys
Speaker (10:46:14 AM): ok take care
Dante2585 (10:46:18 AM) has left the room.
i wonder how this will pan out.
February 13th, 2010, 10:57
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Nakors' units are dead. Whosit probaby moves his preats back home on the Galleys or moves them to Jowy, but I'm reckoning back home. Jowy is toast.
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February 13th, 2010, 11:36
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Wow.. that was quite a 180. But given that relations between India and Greece are probably soured permanently for this game, India has sworn to destroy the Ottomans for taking out Byzantium, and has yet to forgive the HRE for deceiving them, Dantski was probably the right guy to lean on.
And suddenly there are almost no enemy units within India's border anymore. Wondering what the rest of the CoW will have to say about this.
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February 13th, 2010, 11:40
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My bet will be they will be livid with Dantski, fourious that he left after their turn timer expired (as far as i can tell thats whats happened) and claiming bad faith in ether public or spoiler theads but def in E-Mail.
February 13th, 2010, 12:16
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Speaker now comes out of this looking like some kind of Civ God of strategy, tactics, composure, and insight. Now I want to see him and Krill team up as agressive Rome for RBPB 4 
If somehow this game doesn't teach Sullla anything about diplomacy with real human beings, it should teach him not to try and convince everyone how unfair everything is for him... until he's _really_ sure he's actually going to lose!
February 13th, 2010, 13:16
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WilliamLP Wrote:If somehow this game doesn't teach Sullla anything about diplomacy with real human beings, it should teach him not to try and convince everyone how unfair everything is for him... until he's _really_ sure he's actually going to lose! A bit of venting can be healthy in a frustrating situation though.
I have to run.
February 13th, 2010, 14:25
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Nothing wrong with the venting, just don't forget that they did a fair bit if bitching in private as well.
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February 13th, 2010, 14:55
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To be honest, I expected a little more from a 5 on 1. Poor Jowy, he's finally getting what's coming to him.
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February 13th, 2010, 15:01
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what a great smilie - you should post that in Spullla's thread - I am sure they will get a laugh from it.
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