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Well I did a little research and Trump cutting off the subsidies would only cause a 7% increase and likely be reversed as the insurance companies would sue (only part of the subsidies Congress failed to give $$$ explicitly as required by the Constitution). I now feel his only chance to do something big is to use the border-wall to make congress unable to pass budget without the GOP moderates giving in. I feel that he doesn't have the skill and influence to carry out such a plan...(if he did then the best move for DEMs would be to support the GOP moderates to get to 2024 where demographics should just give them the win, a good part of the wall already exists anyway so it's not just worth risking everything, but that wouldn't happen because for some reason people want to win right now and feel good about themselves).

(July 2nd, 2017, 12:59)Bacchus Wrote: They are not a for-profit business, the 200k which didn't go to cladding did go to schools, housing subsidies, and various other missions councils are meant to pursue, I don't really see how greed figures here.

The contractors who put up the cladding were, and (at least in Kensington and probably in all other affected councils) the management company acted like a for profit business in its decision making and (top end) employee rewards, giving big salaries, large pension pots, guaranteed bonii and massively enlarged bonii for slashing costs, all the while cutting the numbers of staff at low and middle grades and severely reducing the pay and increasing the work of those few who remained.

Oh and getting back to the original topic, Brexit, it amuses me how the UK government and especially their DUP lapdogs are increasingly acting like bullyboys towards Ireland hoping to get our government to do all their work for them on Brexit. It's almost as if they've managed to realise that they've not got a Brexit strategy, yet have failed to realise they've no longer an empire to do their dirty work for them.
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(July 3rd, 2017, 04:47)Bacchus Wrote: Ugh, I didn't know about the rebate, that actually is pretty criminal.

EDIT: Equating Thatcher with Reagan always struck me as pretty shallow. Thatcher came to power to what was near enough a communist country -- all major industries nationalised, almost all banking was done on a "building society" basis,  a lot of financial activities were actually criminalized  (for example, international trading in UK sovereign debt), and 42% of people lived in council housing. Thatcher's reforms weren't aimed at curtailing things like free healthcare or free education, or even housing construction, they were aimed at taking Britain closer to what's understood today as a "normal" welfare state -- a market economy with a supportive government. For example, Thatcher government continued to build over 17k council properties per year -- for comparison, Labour then built less than 8k in thirteen years.

Well actually the comparison between Ronnie Ray Gun and Maggie the Milk Snatcher are most apposite. Both were vain, stupid (outside of a few very specialised areas, Thatcher in controlling the Wets, Raygun in being a leading B movie actor) and easily lead by the first snake oil salesman to cross their paths.

The reason why Thatcher didn't touch the NHS was because she was told that it would pretty much lead to civil war. And your painting of late '70s and early '80s Britain as near communist is, frankly, laughable. Aside from the necessity of state control of certain industrial companies to ensure survival (mostly from the fallout of the oil crisis and minorly because of the lack of growth of companies in industrial sectors [the sectors themselves grew, but many British industrial and tech companies never grew out of their "one man in a shed" mentality]). Britain in the '80s was made up little differently than mainland Europe of the time or even the US of ten years previously.

If Thatcher had the courage of the convictions she espoused as well as destroying British industry and banking (shortly after her "big bang" all but one of the British merchant banks and trading houses were in foreign ownership, with the commercial banks following soon after) she would have sold off the trains (she actually did her damnedest to kill BR by starving it of funds) and the NHS to the first (and probably lowest) foreign bidder. But when it came to the big decisions that she thought she couldn't get away with, she bottled.
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I think I will let it rest at the suggestion that British banking has been "destroyed".
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In a twist I really should have seen coming, Macron turned out to be a giant idiot, and in 2022, the next fascist who wants to render down migrants into tallow will be able to position themselves as a moderating force.

I'm not sure which of his mistakes you're referring to but either way there's a large chance that the neofascists will be too busy fighting among themselves to be elected in 2022. And this could also be true of the right and the left.

36% approval rating in three months is terrible.
Neofascists won't be able to legislative win seats to do anything because of the two-round system that was explicitly designed to screw them over. They might be able to take out Marcon and cause things to crash and burn to cause enough polarization to overpower the two-round system in the next cycle if things go perfectly for them.

I haven't been following. What's he done to make him so unpopular so quickly? That's down to Trump levels of popularity.

(August 7th, 2017, 10:31)scooter Wrote: I haven't been following. What's he done to make him so unpopular so quickly? That's down to Trump levels of popularity.

Scooter from were you take Trump popularity?from same polls which said he will lose with a landslide (or whichever is the expression) ? or you have more credible sources. I can make a bet that Trump will winn 2020 again as i said will win now,because the people which realy count are nevr asked.

FWIW, here's where I get his popularity: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tru...id=rrpromo

(Of course that's no guarantee of how someone will actually vote...]



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