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On Sullla's discussions over other players' poor decisions, I agree with Profane that that seems to simply be his style of reporting. It is similar to Whosit's reporting style of wild brainstorming, or Dantski's style of not reporting at all, and if it rubs you the wrong way, you should probably read a different thread.
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I think Sulla thinks the other players are human beings. I just think he believes them to be foolish human beings.
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As I am really interested who will win the battle for Taj, I tried to calculate when each team will finish it. For Spulla it seems to be turn T189 (T184 the begin to research Nat, finished EOT187, able to build on T188 and finished EOT188 ).
Nakor: They had on T183 according to Sulla 204 hammers in Taj. On T184 I am missing how many hammers they put in it, but I guess it is safe to assume they have put their base without chops into it, so 45 hammers. As they show 9 turns to go and have a production of 117 + 8x45 hammers that equals 477 hammers. 204 + 45 + 477 = 726. So the assumption of no chop on T184 seems correct (as then there would be one turn less needed to get it finished) and they will have 366/700 of Taj on T185 with two more chops to come. Well at least I guess that as Nakor wrote they will get another one in next turn and then another one some turns after. But I am unsure as he might have meant with the chop coming in next turn the one we can already see in the picture.
Assuming for now that there are two more to come: I have no clue how many hammers a chop will give but the furs probably 30 and the one third ring 16? Together with base production and multipliers this should give 135 and 93. So:
EOT always:
T184: 366/700
T185: 501/700
T186: 546/700
T187: 639/700
T188: whipped and finished
T189: coin flip with Spulla
So Nakor either has to get the second chop done 1 turn after the first (having by EOT186 594 hammers into the wonder which should be whippable by T187 with 8 (?) pop, landing the wonder T188 ) or will get into a coin flip with Spulla.
Only question now: Is my math right? Did I mess up with how many hammers chops give?
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Sullla Wrote:Dantski wanted to know if we had anything else to offer for his Great Prophet. Umm, I don't know what else we could give him. A Great Artist (?)
Umm... Money? Units? Sullla, you are not constrained by what the AI diplo table can handle.
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I think you'll find he is...pyschologically at least 
And did the paranoia in Team Spullla not go away? From the screenshot Sullla just post I can see Notre Dame due in 3 (if my eyes don't deceive me), but no mention of it from the usually locquacious Sullla.
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T-hawk Wrote:Umm... Money? Units? Sullla, you are not constrained by what the AI diplo table can handle.
Sullla very rarely appears to think outside the box wrt Diplomacy.
Swiss Pauli Wrote:I think you'll find he is...pyschologically at least
And did the paranoia in Team Spullla not go away? From the screenshot Sullla just post I can see Notre Dame due in 3 (if my eyes don't deceive me), but no mention of it from the usually locquacious Sullla.
I think Sullla mentioned that they were building it, but because he is more focussed on other things, he hasn't gone over it as yet.
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Why doesn't Sullla offer to trade the Prophet for the Artist straight up, and then offer to give Dantski a cut of the Shrine revenue. Split it 50/50 for 25 turns or something like that. I'd take that deal if I was Dantski... Seems like it would make complete sense for both sides.
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Because he hasn't thought of it. And on that note, no lurker should suggest that (ie, poster that reards this thread)
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How does Nakor have a Heroic Epic unit? There's a screenshot of it on the penultimate page, it's a Praet...was it gifted at 9/10 then finished off on a barb or something?
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I think that if I were in Dantski's position, i'd probably accept a Prophet-for-Artist trade without any strings attached, though i'd try to see if I can get more out of it.
Sullla doesn't seem to remember that the Mali/HRE border is the bigger cultural hotspot (IIRC last I checked Mali was losing the cultural battle there?) compared to the India/Mali border and use this knowledge in negotiation to India's advantage, I think.
Dantski hopefully will try to push for the trade, but I kind of doubt that will happen.
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