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After getting owned by well managed longbowmen, horse archers, and axemen, it's going to be "interesting" to see how Athelete's worn-down empire does against fresh and better managed cuirassiers and muskets, isn't it? 
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Given that slaze is unlikely to accept peace, I cannot see how he can defend two fronts. Especially when one will be attacked with (partially) more advanced units. I can't see him lasting too long. Perhaps we should set up a sweepstake... :-)
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I was trying to think last night if athlete could / would / should capitulate to slaze
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Could he use the ingame mechanics for this or are vassal states disabled? Because I cannot see that slaze would accept it otherwise as he probably views athlete not as a trustworthy player anymore.
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Vassal states are disabled, Whosit was contemplating vassalage to Korea , but without the game option enabled it wouldn't have forced a peace with Slaze.
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And given the recent gifted troops back/front stab I'd be very unwilling to take an unenforcable vassalage agreement if I was in Slaze's shoes?
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BobRoberts Wrote:And given the recent gifted troops back/front stab I'd be very unwilling to take an unenforcable vassalage agreement if I was in Slaze's shoes?
Yeah - I hadn't realized vassal states was off so.... nevermind 
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I am reminded of:
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, WATCH IT! I'm HUGE!"
It works better for India's refusal to sell troops, though...
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Community...
Would it be spoilerish to post the following in Broker/Plako's thread:
"I recommend T Hawk's analysis for deciding when a merchant is a better choice and when a scientist is a better choice. After reading it, I found that my "gut feeling" was usually right. I'm sure the same will be true for you guys. But if you haven't read it, it's pretty cool to quantify a gut feeling. I've yet to find anyone who does that better than T Hawk. (link)"
I would defend such a post as "not spoilerish". I wouldn't be telling them what to do, but providing them with another resource that they haven't quoted yet (they have quoted CFC). Would there be considerable objection to such a post?
You can get a look at a t-bone by looking up the bulls ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
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I'm pretty sure I've seen people link to online resources before...
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