RBP2 Lurker Discussion Thread - No Players!

[Jowy]

IIRC temporary unit gifting is banned, so that'd be against the rules. Anyway someone better check the rules, can't be arsed to do that myself.

[Cyneheard]

Poll 17: Gifting units
*No restrictions
*No gifting on HE-level units until the receiving civ has their own HE-level unit or has built the HE

Poll 18: Gifting cities
*No restrictions
*No temporary gifting of cities and act in good faith

Temporary city-gifting is banned, because it's pretty easy to abuse; the Exp/Cre player builds a granary and library, the Org HRE player a Rathaus...
The only real temporary unit gifting I can think of that could be abused is abusing Charismatic (having 1 Chm player promote everyone's units), and I'm not even sure if that would work properly. India could send troops of their own to assist, or they could use Dantski's hammers and Dantski's gold to make troops to assist. Of course, HE gifting was specifically banned because that was again a case of "one civ can provide something to everybody".

[Krill]

Charismatic trick doesn't work.

It is a good question, should it be banned? Should you be able to gift units to another team that they can't build? What if they lack a resource for a unit but you have it?

This could get fugly.

[Adlain]

it could be worse, they could upgrade them to grenadiers - thats would be fugly

[zakalwe]

Should you be able to gift units to another team that they can't build?

There's a precedent for that in this game, at least... praetorians.

[Adlain]

There's a precedent for that in this game, at least... praetorians.

True, but they where pure hammers gifted - Whosit Built them, handed them to Jowy after the dogpile went south thus starting their world tour etc etc. Not as will/ could be the case with dantski:
The Master Plan

• He builds obsolite troops
  
• Hands them to spulla with afew silver coins
  
• Spulla beats them into shape handing them a green jacket and a baker rifle
  
• Spulla hands them back to dantski as shinny new Riflemen
  
• Dantski sends them to his citys praying he can hold out long enough to tech Grenadiers
  
• Victory........... well maybe not but hey, sounds good right

[Serdoa]

Well I don't see a difference between praets (which could not be build by anyone but whosit) and this from the point of "getting troops you could not build on your own".

And for Nakor it would be surely worse when Spullla would gift additional troops to Dantski instead of only upgrading the ones he have.

[Beamup]

If anything, the trade-upgrade-return is less of a concern than the Praet gifting, since it's actually more costly than normal building. I quite honestly don't see any reason it's even worth discussing.

[darrelljs]

Does anyone remember if India has a NAP with the Incans?

Darrell

[Reagan]

To be fair; unless someone contacts him, A4L is justfied in giving up. He really can't do anything to win the game. So he might as well help out as much as possible. Doing this makes him more likely to get more allies in new games.

The bolded concept troubles me from a game theory standpoint. If one player is playing a particular game to win, while another is plotting to better position himself diplomatically for a future game, doesn't that risk throwing the current game out of balance?