Double-Fun - pitboss game (14)

[Nicolae Carpathia]

Holy fuck I've completely lost interest in dedlurking anybody.

[Maga_R]

I think the "rules are the problem" posts are missing the point that some of the players in this game won't have read the pitboss 7 threads and so won't know when they are breaking rules and being a jerk. A short list of rules with a double-sized "Don't be a jerk" at the bottom and Plako and other experienced lurkers (Krill, Noble, etc) as the police should do the trick nicely.

Changing the subject totally. Does Novice's Observer Mode work with Pitboss? Do you think the players in this game would like to be televised? It might help lurkers track anyone who struggles with reporting.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=5868

Sounds like very cool idea . And one of the team (Bears) already voiced concerns about being able to give detailed info about their game because of their language problems. I can only imagine how cool it will be for the lurkers to observe things in real time .

I also think that saying "rules are the problem" misses the point. The problem is players not respecting the rules - either because they are not able to understand them (like too vague jerk rule) ... or for other reasons .

[Maga_R]

Holy XXXX I've completely lost interest in dedlurking anybody.

Sorry to hear that - but please keep this thread PG-13 anyway .

[Maga_R]

Basically, if you can see any unit that could affect your movements via a war declaration, you should play your turn, and not play the next one until the other player has played their turn.

..."not being a jerk" as the only rule does not pass this test .

I think it does so long as players never do something that could be questionable, or at least ask lurker opinion first.

Double-moves: just like Krill and Qgqqqqq has suggested above.

Fine with me. I think Krill's point covers pretty much everything except Settler races. In the rare situations where they occur, I still think "no double moving" is a fair rule from the point where one player spots the other.

City-gifting: not allowed under any circumstance.

Also fine with me. I honestly don't recall a pitboss game I've been in where city gifting took place for any reason other than to exploit game mechanics.

EDIT: Actually I do recall one... it was late in the game and one player's border city was being culture-choked by their ally, so they agreed it would be better to gift it to the more cultured civ and have it work better tiles. Declaring war would have ruined trade route income - not to mention destroyed buildings, killed pop, and caused resistance. It was only a matter of time before it flipped anyway. Personally I don't see much issue with that, but it's also not a common circumstance.

I do declare my intention to join this here delectable gathering of foes and friends in a fun, friendly, learning experience with the best gang of cut-throat, ruthless, manipulative bastards that have ever walked the earth.

Suggesting Team "My Little Marathon Cannibal Pony" to be formally accepted.

Applying as: Inexperienced.

Bonus: I love diplomacy, and if there is a good player that don't much like the diplo part, I'm happy to shoulder the entire Diplo part of the game.

Welcome to RB, Halvgud!

I am glad to see so far we view things similarly, with Blame Caledorn team and Eat Your Heart Alive voicing similar opinions.

I am also OK with banning all city gifts except the case LP described - what I called "returning to the previous owner". Bowsling wanted city gifting allowed in some situations, though. I have no string feelings on the issue, other than game breaking city gifts should be definitely disallowed.

I am glad there is consensus on playing as in Spanish mod was in effect - that should ensure that we will "fight peacefully" and will decrease inevitable paranoia .

[Qgqqqqq]

It's a double move by the criteria of moving twice to get an advantage (in denying knowledge), not something that could be affected by a war declaration

I'll repeat: never double move if to do so would gain you an advantage you wouldn't have available in a sequential game.

[Krill]

Yeah, giving the opponent the knowledge that they would have if it were sequential is an important point. So no double moving workers or settlers past a sentry unit, no moving a scout next to and away from borders etc without enabling the opposing player to take in that information.

[plako]

I've done some soul searching and I think I'm not suitable admin for this game. So you need to try to find another or do without. I'm still making the map though.

[Maga_R]

I've done some soul searching and I think I'm not suitable admin for this game. So you need to try to find another or do without. I'm still making the map though.

Plako, are you sure? You seemed like a perfect admin for this game . Perhaps you will consider this a bit longer before giving us your final decision?

[Maga_R]

I think the "rules are the problem" posts are missing the point that some of the players in this game won't have read the pitboss 7 threads and so won't know when they are breaking rules and being a jerk. A short list of rules with a double-sized "Don't be a jerk" at the bottom and Plako and other experienced lurkers (Krill, Noble, etc) as the police should do the trick nicely.

Apparently we lost Plako, though .

[plako]

I'm sorry for letting you down and causing unnescessary drama. I'll be definately following the game and can give my opinion if asked and maybe even without asking . I just feel I shouldn't be official admin of the game. There are also other experienced players watching so I'm sure that in case of disputes you can't get sorted out yourself you can get ruling from someone.