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  Limited diplo system
Posted by: Catwalk - October 28th, 2012, 17:30 - Forum: Civilization General Discussion - Replies (99)

PBEM37 is approaching maturity, and I think the diplo system we have used has been interesting. It falls in between full diplo and AI diplo, as it allows for proposals to be exchanged but disallows discussion. It also limits the length of agreements. I think this has the following advantages over full diplo and AI diplo:
- Far less of a time sink than full diplo
- Diplo has less impact than with full diplo
- Minimizes the need to be creative with the truth whenever you're plotting against someone
- Discourages close in-game relations
- Makes dogpiles harder to pull off, but still allows for minor coordination if you trust each other
- Direct diplo is possible, as opposed to only having indirect AI diplo measures

Based on feedback during PBEM37 setup, most of you hated this back then and that's probably still the case. I have no problem with that, not seeking to convert anyone. I've enjoyed it a lot in PBEM37, and I hope it'll be possible to set up a game with similar diplo rules sometime. I think the chances of discussing it are better when not in the middle of trying to get a game going, so I'm putting it up for discussion here. If you want to criticize the system, by all means feel free. And if you feel the need to vent at how retarded it is, I can live with that too smile I've tried to condense and simplify the rules, please let me know if anything is confusing or unclear. Note that the poll is public.

Full ruleset

1) All diplo must be in the form of proposals, discussion is not allowed. If you want to negotiate a specific proposal, send a counter proposal.

2) There is a limit to how long deals you can make, this limit goes down over the course of the game:
t0 - t75: 20t
t76 - t100: 15t
t101 - t124: 10t
t125 - game end: 5t
Players should always specify the length of agreements, if they forget or fail to specify the agreement will be considered to have max duration. Unless otherwise specified, an agreement expires at the end of the specified turn.

3) Unless otherwise specified, a proposal is only valid until the recipient starts playing his next turn. For example, if someone makes you a peace offer you can't go swipe a few cities and then accept. You're welcome to swipe the cities and send a counter proposal, of course.

4) In case an agreement is violated, limited discussion is allowed so the players get the chance to determine if there is a violation or not. All proposals are fairly clear-cut, so there should be little room for misunderstanding. If players cannot agree that a violation has happened, the aggrieved party can do little other than post about it in his spoiler thread. If he feels justified in breaking any deals he may have, he can do so. If the players do agree, they can try to negotiate compensation if the offender wishes to maintain his reputation.

5) List of proposals

NAP
Simple NAP between the players. Artist bombs are considered a hostile action.

Border agreement
Determines borders between the players until a specified turn. Automatically includes a NAP for the duration of the agreement as it would have no value otherwise, but it's a good idea to specify this to avoid confusion. Borders can be defined with text or a minimal screenshot.

Trade
Any deal can include trade of units, resources, gold or cities. Screenshots may not be shared, map trading with Paper is allowed. Specifying where units are to be delivered is fine.

Close borders
Lets you propose that someone closes borders with another player. Is usually a mutual proposal, but not necessarily.

Limit EP spending
Lets you propose that both players limit their spending to specified EP amounts. It isn't necessary that this is mutual or set to the same amount for each player.

Declare war
Lets you propose that the other player (or both of you) declares war on another player at a specified turn. Can include a requirement to freeze all diplo for x turns after declaration. Does not and cannot include any requirements that actual war is waged.

Wonder agreement
Lets you propose that you or the other player refrains from building a specific wonder.

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  Chess
Posted by: Sian - October 28th, 2012, 14:34 - Forum: The Gaming Table - Replies (1568)

Anyone around here that plays chess, either in local leagues, or over the internet?

would be fun to play against someone from here smile

I have a bullet/blitz ELO of ~1650 (it swings between high 1500's to low 1700's

a standard 2h rating of ~1400

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  Issue with "Thread subscriptions with new posts"
Posted by: Cornflakes - October 27th, 2012, 21:54 - Forum: Off Topic - Replies (4)

I've got an issue with the "Thread subscriptions with new posts" section of the User CP. A couple of the threads now do not get the little green arrow that links to the first unread post. Those threads titles also do not turn bold when updated and they stay on the "Thread subscriptions with new posts" section even after I manually click through to the last page.

I tried unsubscribing to those threads and re-subscribing, but still no luck. Any ideas? I can grab a screenshot if that would help.

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  Mark all forums as read is bugged
Posted by: Kristian95 - October 27th, 2012, 12:32 - Forum: Off Topic - Replies (12)

When I try to mark all forums as read I get the following error message:

"Authorization code mismatch. Are you accessing this function correctly? Please go back and try again."

The forums are not marked as read after this.

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  [spoiler] Azza provides a guide on how to screw up Napoleon of Rome
Posted by: Azza - October 27th, 2012, 03:19 - Forum: Pitboss 8 - Replies (102)

Spoiler alert. This is a spoiler thread.














It'll be murder on the dancefloor.

And stuff.

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  [SPOILERS] Serdoa as DeGaulle of Maya
Posted by: Serdoa - October 27th, 2012, 02:32 - Forum: Pitboss 8 - Replies (169)

So if we can have screenies already, please give me one smile

As for my leader/civ: Rolling a CHA-leader (which has no longer to build SH), just to get it paired with IND and a civ starting with Myst (crying to build SH) is ... interesting.

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  [SPOILERS] Tatan, CFCJester and Nakor try their hand at Mansu of India...
Posted by: Nakor - October 27th, 2012, 01:27 - Forum: Pitboss 8 - Replies (593)

So, we're off to a good start!
If this were BTS...
We'll have to look at the info about RB Mod to see how we'll compare to the rest.

Good to have you guys on board, Tatan and Jester! I seem to be doing a lot more updates when teamed... mischief

So, what game plans do you guys have in mind?

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  [SPOILERS] Cheerful Cat Crew Have No Clue (Sury of France)
Posted by: Catwalk - October 27th, 2012, 01:23 - Forum: Pitboss 8 - Replies (108)

I've never played with the mod or even looked more than cursory at the change log. This should be interesting! Barracks first in our capital cheetah?

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  [SPOILERS] Churchill of Portugal: Gallipoli Part II
Posted by: spacetyrantxenu - October 27th, 2012, 00:51 - Forum: Pitboss 8 - Replies (611)

Herein will lie the misdeeds of Churchill of Portugal, as he attempts to erase the dubious record of the first Gallipoli Campaign.

[Image: Winston_Churchill_1941_photo_by_Yousuf_Karsh.jpg]

We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!

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  [SPOILERS] Louis of Aztecs - One of those industrious
Posted by: plako - October 27th, 2012, 00:20 - Forum: Pitboss 8 - Replies (404)

Yet another member of industrious alliance signing in. I'll keep my normal updating style so you better look elsewhere for really entertaining threads.

Competition:
Commodore - Gilgamesh of the Khmer
Azza - Napoleon of Rome
Pindicooter - Huayna Capac of Zulu
Merohoc - Augustus of Arabia
Ichabod and the Brick - Genghis Khan of the Vikings
Plako if RBmod - Louis XIV of the Aztec
Xenu - Churchill of Portugal
Catcheetah - Suryavarman of France
Lewger - Qin Shi Huang of the Netherlands
N-core - Mansa Musa of India
Serdoa - De Gaulle of Maya

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